Humhongekamyab
08-03 12:39 PM
Finally I was greened after 4 years and 3 months from my I-140 approval date.
I opened a SR yesterday and today my CPO e-mail came to my mailbox. However my wife's status says
"On August 2, 2010, we mailed you a notice that we had registered this customer's new permanent resident status. Please follow any instructions on the notice. Your new permanent resident card should be mailed within 60 days following this registration or after you complete any ADIT processing referred to in the welcome notice, whichever is later."
Do you know what does it mean?:confused:
I am not sure whether opening a SR helped or not. Good luck to everyone. Remember GC is something but not everything in life. Being healthy and spending quality time with your family are more important than GC.
Congrats Masterji. BTW, how were you able to open the SR. I called them this morning and they told me that my PD became current yesterday so I should wait for 30 days before calling them back.
I opened a SR yesterday and today my CPO e-mail came to my mailbox. However my wife's status says
"On August 2, 2010, we mailed you a notice that we had registered this customer's new permanent resident status. Please follow any instructions on the notice. Your new permanent resident card should be mailed within 60 days following this registration or after you complete any ADIT processing referred to in the welcome notice, whichever is later."
Do you know what does it mean?:confused:
I am not sure whether opening a SR helped or not. Good luck to everyone. Remember GC is something but not everything in life. Being healthy and spending quality time with your family are more important than GC.
Congrats Masterji. BTW, how were you able to open the SR. I called them this morning and they told me that my PD became current yesterday so I should wait for 30 days before calling them back.
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sravani
05-17 02:37 PM
My i485 app was received by uscis (NSC) on 04/25, notice date 04/27. I got fingerprinting notice on may 14th to have it done on may 23 (me) and may 24(my spouse).
Thanks for posting your dates gc_aspirant! Is your case concurrent filing?
I am worried now, my application receipt date is 04/19 one week before you, i still didn't get the FP notice. Hope I will get this week :o
Thanks for posting your dates gc_aspirant! Is your case concurrent filing?
I am worried now, my application receipt date is 04/19 one week before you, i still didn't get the FP notice. Hope I will get this week :o
ajm
09-20 12:57 PM
Cheers to everyone who decided not to ask IV to reimburse the fee difference that they paid to Airline companies.
Pratik
I was one of the members who bought the ticket early for Sep 13 and had to rebook. Initially, I did ask IV to reimburse me but after receiving a very nice email from Aman and seeing how sincerely they wanted to set things right (regardless of whether I could make it on Sep 18), I never took them up on the reimbursement offer.
Attending the rally was great! The people who did not come have missed out on a unique experience.
Pratik
I was one of the members who bought the ticket early for Sep 13 and had to rebook. Initially, I did ask IV to reimburse me but after receiving a very nice email from Aman and seeing how sincerely they wanted to set things right (regardless of whether I could make it on Sep 18), I never took them up on the reimbursement offer.
Attending the rally was great! The people who did not come have missed out on a unique experience.
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gapala
04-08 07:31 PM
Can you please let us know the procedure? I'm very much interested in filing a formal complaint with the CIS and Ombudsman. I'm not against genuine candidates getting their GC through MNC executive category, but would like to stop this malpractice.
Guys, here the form to file a complaint on L1A - EB1 misuse by indian IT companies
http://www.dol.gov/esa/whd/forms/wh-4.pdf
Here's the process..http://www.dol.gov/esa/whd/forms/fts_wh4.htm
If you have a genuine case and know the company name who resort to these shady practices, Please fill this form and send it across to DOL. You do not need to provide your personal information if you are not willing to.
Rest, they will investigate and take care..
I am one of those who couldn't file in EB1 but that is past and long gone for me.
Guys, here the form to file a complaint on L1A - EB1 misuse by indian IT companies
http://www.dol.gov/esa/whd/forms/wh-4.pdf
Here's the process..http://www.dol.gov/esa/whd/forms/fts_wh4.htm
If you have a genuine case and know the company name who resort to these shady practices, Please fill this form and send it across to DOL. You do not need to provide your personal information if you are not willing to.
Rest, they will investigate and take care..
I am one of those who couldn't file in EB1 but that is past and long gone for me.
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hpandey
09-24 12:36 PM
If the CIR bill passed then we will see huge forward movement else nothing discussing for EB3.
CIR is not going to help EB community unless a miracle happens. It is for illegals only just like last time. Worse comes to worse it is going to put more hurdles for H1b and EB folks.
I think we are better off without CIR.
In any case there is no hope for CIR . A number of senator and congressmen are opposed to it and the wide public also doesn't support it .
CIR is not going to help EB community unless a miracle happens. It is for illegals only just like last time. Worse comes to worse it is going to put more hurdles for H1b and EB folks.
I think we are better off without CIR.
In any case there is no hope for CIR . A number of senator and congressmen are opposed to it and the wide public also doesn't support it .
posmd
06-12 01:31 PM
Honestly I cannot see much wrong with Congressman Pences point of view.
Unless you are an illegal who is looking for a free ride on the US immigration laws, you have got to consider it fair. Especially if it is combined with some sort of expansion of legal immigration, a fair minded individual cannot really quarrel with it.
Only problem is that it will cause those coming after a few years legally to get caught up in a Tsunami of applications and probably will be unfair to them, but ATLEAST they would be aware of what they are up against and will choose to come KNOWING that.
Immigration to the US is not a right and many of us are suffering a lot to play by the rules so our children have a bright future. Our talents are being utilised at less than their full capacity to serve a bigger purpose in this land. We are waiting patiently. Someone who cut in line should not be given rights and priviledges that we have suffered so much to get by doing the right and honorable thing.
According to this new plan the illegals will learn to know that a green card is a LONG PAINSTAKINGLY FRUSTRATING process just like all of us have learnt.
I am happy that despite their breaking the law they have a chance to atone for their mistake and still EVENTUALLY get the green card, perhaps when they are old and grey but eventually. Hey I have sprouted many grey hair in this endeavour myself!
I think this is fair and balanced and just might be able to put this CIR beyond the goalline. God knows the current legal immigration system needs some reform.
Unless you are an illegal who is looking for a free ride on the US immigration laws, you have got to consider it fair. Especially if it is combined with some sort of expansion of legal immigration, a fair minded individual cannot really quarrel with it.
Only problem is that it will cause those coming after a few years legally to get caught up in a Tsunami of applications and probably will be unfair to them, but ATLEAST they would be aware of what they are up against and will choose to come KNOWING that.
Immigration to the US is not a right and many of us are suffering a lot to play by the rules so our children have a bright future. Our talents are being utilised at less than their full capacity to serve a bigger purpose in this land. We are waiting patiently. Someone who cut in line should not be given rights and priviledges that we have suffered so much to get by doing the right and honorable thing.
According to this new plan the illegals will learn to know that a green card is a LONG PAINSTAKINGLY FRUSTRATING process just like all of us have learnt.
I am happy that despite their breaking the law they have a chance to atone for their mistake and still EVENTUALLY get the green card, perhaps when they are old and grey but eventually. Hey I have sprouted many grey hair in this endeavour myself!
I think this is fair and balanced and just might be able to put this CIR beyond the goalline. God knows the current legal immigration system needs some reform.
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hsingh82
05-05 02:30 PM
My employer says that he has lodged my PERM in July 2008. As yet there is no news and neither does he provide any information regarding the status. Is there anything I can do to find out whether the PERM has been lodged at all? What are my options?
Try contacting the attorney who filed for perm (if attorney was used), don't mention that employer is not providing you any information. You don't have much options as you will need your employer's or attorney's login details for DOL website to check status.
Try contacting the attorney who filed for perm (if attorney was used), don't mention that employer is not providing you any information. You don't have much options as you will need your employer's or attorney's login details for DOL website to check status.
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04-01 08:35 AM
My wife and I went to DC in 2007, but we are not able to make it this time. We are giving you guys $200 to help somebody pay a for a flight. What's the best way to do it? Donating on the web site?
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01-12 10:12 PM
If you have account in BOA with 25K, you can do 30 trading per month for free. Also I have some good tips for long terms investors like people who are planning to settle here. The plan is to buy the stocks from companies directly and reinvest the dividend. When you are not paying the commission and investing the dividend, you can get very good return in the long run.
If any one interested please let me know...
Hi Snathan, will be able to give more details / explain more on -- The plan is to buy the stocks from companies directly and reinvest the dividend. When you are not paying the commission and investing the dividend, you can get very good return in the long run.
tks look to see your reply.
got it Thanks, info was in 2 nd page. :-)
If any one interested please let me know...
Hi Snathan, will be able to give more details / explain more on -- The plan is to buy the stocks from companies directly and reinvest the dividend. When you are not paying the commission and investing the dividend, you can get very good return in the long run.
tks look to see your reply.
got it Thanks, info was in 2 nd page. :-)
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ars01
05-15 09:53 AM
Yes. I need an answer for that as well. As part of concurrent filing can we not just submit I-485 as I-140 is already being processed.
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angelfire76
04-08 06:42 PM
I will try to explain the process it takes to get qualified for EB1C.
You will need to be outside USA for an year working as an Executive or manager. Come back to USA in that role. So the appropriate visa will be L1A. Most Indian companies require atleast 5-6 years of experience before they look at your resume for a manager. Most of the managers now a days get fired if their targets are not met in couple of quarters. So staying in that position for couple of years it self is a big deal. Now they need to prove the candiate valid for L1A position. Face a visa interview and come here and start working. Even if the same company is sponsering the L1A. Compaines usually wait for an year or two before they file I140. This application wll rot in CIS queue for long enough before they get a decision and GC.
This is the actual process.. If some company works in an apartment in India with one man show and tries to get an L1A, I am not sure if they will get through and get a VISA??? It is quite common that we have more EB1Cs becos, the number of Desi companies have grown. So if you think you are experienced and want to give a shot, try it. These kind of complaints in a longer run will bite us by delaying the applications and building backlogs..
I think it has become a standard process after any visa bulletin. We try to fight on EB2/EB3 or India vs. ROW or AP in India vs. rest of India. This time it happened to be EB1 vs. rest of EB..
The system is already screwed.. Lets not add more delays.. If we want to complain, lets complain about the root cause of the problem.. i.e. CIS wasted visas that caused these backlogs..
Just ask your self a question, if you were given GC tomorrow will you care who comes next or how one comes here??? Atleast I won't. There is a whole department paid to do this job..
Guys who come here on H1Bs and apply? Let us set aside the fraud inherent in L1 visa for another day. The visa recapture is there, but it is also a separate issue which takes a while to accomplish.
You will need to be outside USA for an year working as an Executive or manager. Come back to USA in that role. So the appropriate visa will be L1A. Most Indian companies require atleast 5-6 years of experience before they look at your resume for a manager. Most of the managers now a days get fired if their targets are not met in couple of quarters. So staying in that position for couple of years it self is a big deal. Now they need to prove the candiate valid for L1A position. Face a visa interview and come here and start working. Even if the same company is sponsering the L1A. Compaines usually wait for an year or two before they file I140. This application wll rot in CIS queue for long enough before they get a decision and GC.
This is the actual process.. If some company works in an apartment in India with one man show and tries to get an L1A, I am not sure if they will get through and get a VISA??? It is quite common that we have more EB1Cs becos, the number of Desi companies have grown. So if you think you are experienced and want to give a shot, try it. These kind of complaints in a longer run will bite us by delaying the applications and building backlogs..
I think it has become a standard process after any visa bulletin. We try to fight on EB2/EB3 or India vs. ROW or AP in India vs. rest of India. This time it happened to be EB1 vs. rest of EB..
The system is already screwed.. Lets not add more delays.. If we want to complain, lets complain about the root cause of the problem.. i.e. CIS wasted visas that caused these backlogs..
Just ask your self a question, if you were given GC tomorrow will you care who comes next or how one comes here??? Atleast I won't. There is a whole department paid to do this job..
Guys who come here on H1Bs and apply? Let us set aside the fraud inherent in L1 visa for another day. The visa recapture is there, but it is also a separate issue which takes a while to accomplish.
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01-20 11:40 AM
Thanks achiever 2001.
Guys we should seriously think about changing the heading of this thread.
Guys we should seriously think about changing the heading of this thread.
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kumar9844
10-25 02:07 PM
I am also a unlucky victim of labor backlogs. The details of my child are given below. It is imperative, for the sake of our children's future and welfare, that all of us join forces to make the lawmakers to amed the CSPA so that it benefits our children. They should not be made to struggle for no fault of theirs.
1. Your Contact Information: (Email at least; First, Last Name and Phone Number ideally)
2. State Where You Live : Virginia
3. Your Employment-Based Category (EB1, EB2, EB3, Other Worker, EB4, EB5): EB3
4. Your Country of Origin (CHINA-mainland born, INDIA, MEXICO, PHILIPPINES or OTHER):India
5. Your Child's Date of Birth: 12/21/1985
6. Your Case Priority Date: 4/4/2003
7. Date Visa was available: Not Yet
8. Date DOL approved your Labor Certification: 1/29/07
9. Date I-140 was sent :3/7/2007
10. Date I-140 was approved: 3/13/2007
11. Anything Else You may Want to Add: (like current status of your case)I-485 pending. RD 6/7/07
I do not know if I am doing something against the rules of this forum, please excuse if I am. I am just a father trying to do something to protect his daughter; but I know that there are many other children who are or were under similar circunstances. I am not a lawyer. My wife, my daughter and I went to talk to our Representative Moran and our Senator Webb, but they are interested in numbers, cases, especially Virginia residents; but I think that this is something national. We (my family, I and anyone who wants to join us) can go to the office of the Leader of the Senate Majority or the House or to the office of any other committe leader and give them a letter showing numbers and cases, real families that are suffering and requiring them to do something about it. If you agree, I would suggest to prepare a small database with all the cases that we know, then prepare a letter and send it to the Congress leaders.
I think that we would need the following information:
1. Your Contact Information: (Email at least; First, Last Name and Phone Number ideally)
2. State Where You Live
3. Your Employment-Based Category (EB1, EB2, EB3, Other Worker, EB4, EB5)
4. Your Country of Origin (CHINA-mainland born, INDIA, MEXICO, PHILIPPINES or OTHER)
5. Your Child's Date of Birth
6. Your Case Priority Date
7. Date Visa was available
8. Date DOL approved your Labor Certification
9. Date I-140 was sent
10. Date I-140 was approved
11. Anything Else You may Want to Add: (like current status of your case)
Please let me know if that is ok for you, we can use this forum to collect the info or I can provide my email account or phone number, either way is ok for me. Thanks for your understanding.
1. Your Contact Information: (Email at least; First, Last Name and Phone Number ideally)
2. State Where You Live : Virginia
3. Your Employment-Based Category (EB1, EB2, EB3, Other Worker, EB4, EB5): EB3
4. Your Country of Origin (CHINA-mainland born, INDIA, MEXICO, PHILIPPINES or OTHER):India
5. Your Child's Date of Birth: 12/21/1985
6. Your Case Priority Date: 4/4/2003
7. Date Visa was available: Not Yet
8. Date DOL approved your Labor Certification: 1/29/07
9. Date I-140 was sent :3/7/2007
10. Date I-140 was approved: 3/13/2007
11. Anything Else You may Want to Add: (like current status of your case)I-485 pending. RD 6/7/07
I do not know if I am doing something against the rules of this forum, please excuse if I am. I am just a father trying to do something to protect his daughter; but I know that there are many other children who are or were under similar circunstances. I am not a lawyer. My wife, my daughter and I went to talk to our Representative Moran and our Senator Webb, but they are interested in numbers, cases, especially Virginia residents; but I think that this is something national. We (my family, I and anyone who wants to join us) can go to the office of the Leader of the Senate Majority or the House or to the office of any other committe leader and give them a letter showing numbers and cases, real families that are suffering and requiring them to do something about it. If you agree, I would suggest to prepare a small database with all the cases that we know, then prepare a letter and send it to the Congress leaders.
I think that we would need the following information:
1. Your Contact Information: (Email at least; First, Last Name and Phone Number ideally)
2. State Where You Live
3. Your Employment-Based Category (EB1, EB2, EB3, Other Worker, EB4, EB5)
4. Your Country of Origin (CHINA-mainland born, INDIA, MEXICO, PHILIPPINES or OTHER)
5. Your Child's Date of Birth
6. Your Case Priority Date
7. Date Visa was available
8. Date DOL approved your Labor Certification
9. Date I-140 was sent
10. Date I-140 was approved
11. Anything Else You may Want to Add: (like current status of your case)
Please let me know if that is ok for you, we can use this forum to collect the info or I can provide my email account or phone number, either way is ok for me. Thanks for your understanding.
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arnet
05-15 03:57 PM
previous thread has this I-485 info:
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1707
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1707
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Michael chertoff
04-07 12:42 PM
Comments are welcome.
However in order to work on an issue, the push and support must come from members needing it. For that we will need support of Greencard holders who think that this an issue for them and they are willing to participate and support IV to go all the way. Right now we have our hands full with current IV agenda and need to accomplish those with our limited resources
Pappu any news about multiyear EAD/AP?
However in order to work on an issue, the push and support must come from members needing it. For that we will need support of Greencard holders who think that this an issue for them and they are willing to participate and support IV to go all the way. Right now we have our hands full with current IV agenda and need to accomplish those with our limited resources
Pappu any news about multiyear EAD/AP?
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princeusa2006
01-10 04:19 PM
Bill Text - 112th Congress (2011-2012) - THOMAS (Library of Congress) (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c112:H.R.43:)
That link has the complete text. Relatively simple text. Includes those who have completed degree in last 5 years or those who have resided in the US since obtaining a degree.
Only one constrain. Requires that "will substantially benefit prospectively the national economy of the United States". The second part is something which is fuzzy and not sure how USCIS will interpret it. They might apply the logic of EB2-NIW. However, in either case, it is adding numbers of EB categories and hopefully rest of the bill is allowing for these numbers to fall across and down.
If the applicant has completed masters degree in U.S. after filing Labor /485, does he get benefited with this bill ?
Thanks,
That link has the complete text. Relatively simple text. Includes those who have completed degree in last 5 years or those who have resided in the US since obtaining a degree.
Only one constrain. Requires that "will substantially benefit prospectively the national economy of the United States". The second part is something which is fuzzy and not sure how USCIS will interpret it. They might apply the logic of EB2-NIW. However, in either case, it is adding numbers of EB categories and hopefully rest of the bill is allowing for these numbers to fall across and down.
If the applicant has completed masters degree in U.S. after filing Labor /485, does he get benefited with this bill ?
Thanks,
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gc28262
07-14 12:46 PM
coopheal ,
I have been contributing. Even for the latest Capitol Hill effort I did call my friends and they did contribute. I have the numbers. I myself contributed 100$. I would have spent at least 8 hours making calls and making my friends contribute $. I never gave up on that. But still I do not get enough motivation to keep this doing. I have collected around 200$ at my work for meeting the lawmakers effort but returned the money to individuals. I am sure it would have ended up helping EB2.
reddymjm,
I participated in IV lobby day. Myself along with other IV members presented the talking points to lawmakers. One thing I can say for sure is those materials didn't have a single line for EB2 alone. IV's strategy is to strive for common solutions which would benefit every one.
I have been contributing. Even for the latest Capitol Hill effort I did call my friends and they did contribute. I have the numbers. I myself contributed 100$. I would have spent at least 8 hours making calls and making my friends contribute $. I never gave up on that. But still I do not get enough motivation to keep this doing. I have collected around 200$ at my work for meeting the lawmakers effort but returned the money to individuals. I am sure it would have ended up helping EB2.
reddymjm,
I participated in IV lobby day. Myself along with other IV members presented the talking points to lawmakers. One thing I can say for sure is those materials didn't have a single line for EB2 alone. IV's strategy is to strive for common solutions which would benefit every one.
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amitjoey
01-18 02:31 PM
Guys, this is the time to show the core group that we are a bunch of people thankful that there is IV to help us fight this fight.
We need to stand united and raise awareness and sign up for the monthly recurring contribution.
I understand that some of you do intend to contribute and have contributed generously in the past,
But here are some mindsets, All of us fall in these 4 mindsets.
1) you probably think "why should I sign up for a monthly recurring contribution program". I am a generous contributor and I contribute almost monthly anyways.
2) I have contributed enough.
3) I will contribute if I feel like, when I see something comming out of this effort.
4) I do not have to contribute.
If you are in category 1).I can tell you, I understand because I have been a generous contributer in the past. But guys, the reason I signed up for a monthly recurring contribution is that it helps IV know that 'X' amount of funds are guaranted every month, this way they can better plan.
Category 2) Contributed enough - Okay why dont just sign up for a minimum amount of $20/month once more. What is enough is not enough.
Category 3) This has been discussed, I do not want to talk about this category of members.
Category 4) Again - No Comments-
Lets show the core team that all of us fall in the first 2 categories.
The last thing we want the core to do is bite their fingers over funds. We do not want the core to get stressed out over funds. They have enough real work to do already.
Inspite of being a serious team player, and a generous contributor it took me two days to sign up for the recurring monthly contribution program, so I give all of the ones that have not set up a monthly recurring contribution benefit of doubt. But this is our last chance, I urge you to be one of the 1000 people we need for this effort.
Need 897 members
good job guys we now need 888 members. So 9 more members stepped up in the last 2 hours. We can do better. Can 100 more members step up in the next 2 hours?
We need to stand united and raise awareness and sign up for the monthly recurring contribution.
I understand that some of you do intend to contribute and have contributed generously in the past,
But here are some mindsets, All of us fall in these 4 mindsets.
1) you probably think "why should I sign up for a monthly recurring contribution program". I am a generous contributor and I contribute almost monthly anyways.
2) I have contributed enough.
3) I will contribute if I feel like, when I see something comming out of this effort.
4) I do not have to contribute.
If you are in category 1).I can tell you, I understand because I have been a generous contributer in the past. But guys, the reason I signed up for a monthly recurring contribution is that it helps IV know that 'X' amount of funds are guaranted every month, this way they can better plan.
Category 2) Contributed enough - Okay why dont just sign up for a minimum amount of $20/month once more. What is enough is not enough.
Category 3) This has been discussed, I do not want to talk about this category of members.
Category 4) Again - No Comments-
Lets show the core team that all of us fall in the first 2 categories.
The last thing we want the core to do is bite their fingers over funds. We do not want the core to get stressed out over funds. They have enough real work to do already.
Inspite of being a serious team player, and a generous contributor it took me two days to sign up for the recurring monthly contribution program, so I give all of the ones that have not set up a monthly recurring contribution benefit of doubt. But this is our last chance, I urge you to be one of the 1000 people we need for this effort.
Need 897 members
good job guys we now need 888 members. So 9 more members stepped up in the last 2 hours. We can do better. Can 100 more members step up in the next 2 hours?
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pmpforgc
04-10 01:50 PM
There is no harm in adding this also as the fifth item along with the existing 4 items. :D
I think CITIZENShip years Credit or Reduction in the years is Make most sense for the highly skilled immigrant from India and China as those are the people who suffers most because of backlog and name check.
I also think we should stick to the "five year federal taxes paid" beacuse that is what they expect from normal family based GC holder. Also adding Masters and Higher degrees in the STEM fields attract possible more support.
We should not talk any where close to 10 /15 years waiting time as that is not what current system of citizesnship talks about.
Also marriage based GC already has 3 years after GC rule so it may beeasy to get it.
Making it more complicated like Percent credit for before GC filing, after GC filing, after getting GC May become hard and complicated to convenince politicains who might be amending those rules.
So Keeping it simple - 5 yr federal taxes, MS or higher in STEM, 3 years after GC - you get citizenship (all of these has precedents)
I think CITIZENShip years Credit or Reduction in the years is Make most sense for the highly skilled immigrant from India and China as those are the people who suffers most because of backlog and name check.
I also think we should stick to the "five year federal taxes paid" beacuse that is what they expect from normal family based GC holder. Also adding Masters and Higher degrees in the STEM fields attract possible more support.
We should not talk any where close to 10 /15 years waiting time as that is not what current system of citizesnship talks about.
Also marriage based GC already has 3 years after GC rule so it may beeasy to get it.
Making it more complicated like Percent credit for before GC filing, after GC filing, after getting GC May become hard and complicated to convenince politicains who might be amending those rules.
So Keeping it simple - 5 yr federal taxes, MS or higher in STEM, 3 years after GC - you get citizenship (all of these has precedents)
pappu
02-01 09:02 PM
update is coming pls wait.
aka
01-21 04:31 PM
...for $20/month. Was traveling so could not do this earlier. And guys, this thread just happened to be on the top or I might have missed it. Need to put this on the front page in BOLD... it is a nice wake-up call for the members.
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